Does anyone know more?

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/08/10/glider-plane-crash-lake-winnipesaukee

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 8:28:39 PM UTC-4, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> Does anyone know more?
>
> https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/08/10/glider-plane-crash-lake-winnipesaukee

Sounds more like an ultralight that is being misreported as a glider.

"The glider was about 1,000 feet above the bay when the engine stopped."

A quick search brought up another article that is a bit clearer.

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/plane-crashes-lake-winnipesaukee-pilot-rescued-boaters

"NH Marine Patrol Officers learned that the ultralight was approximately 1,000 feet above the bay when the engine stopped."

PA

Does anyone know more?

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/08/10/glider-plane-crash-lake-winnipesaukee

https://www.newscentermaine.com/video/news/local/as-seen-on-tv/plane-crash-on-lake-winnipesaukee/97-5a66699e-5271-4395-98e8-d2b9f8622326

Ultralight seaplane ? Sank in 60' of water. Sailplane would have floated .

Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.

>
> Ultralight seaplane ? Sank in 60' of water. Sailplane would have floated

If you have to pronounce the name of the lake on the 911 call, you're sunk.

lake-winnipesaukee

Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
> Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
>
Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)

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- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
> > Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
> >
> Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
> don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
> license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

That's what the FAA say, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 2:19:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
> > > Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
> > >
> > Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
> > don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
> > license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)
> >
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> > - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> > https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> That's what the FAA say, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

Transport Canada have a more sensible attitude.
A motor is considered an alternative launch method.
You need a GPL and endorsement from an instructor
with SLS experience.
JMF

john firth wrote on 8/16/2020 8:10 AM:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 2:19:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>> Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
>>>> Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
>>>>
>>> Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
>>> don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
>>> license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
>>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>> That's what the FAA say, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
>
> Transport Canada have a more sensible attitude.
> A motor is considered an alternative launch method.
> You need a GPL and endorsement from an instructor
> with SLS experience.
> JMF
>
It's the same in the US.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 10:55:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> john firth wrote on 8/16/2020 8:10 AM:
> > On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 2:19:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >>> Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
> >>>> Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
> >>>>
> >>> Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
> >>> don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
> >>> license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> >>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> >> That's what the FAA say, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
> >
> > Transport Canada have a more sensible attitude.
> > A motor is considered an alternative launch method.
> > You need a GPL and endorsement from an instructor
> > with SLS experience.
> > JMF
> >
> It's the same in the US.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

In the US, a checkride is required in a 2-seat motorglider, even if the applicant has Glider and SEL ratings. That, in my opinion, makes no sense.

Don't know about the FARs in this case but, when I acquired my Stemme,
my insurance company required a CFI checkout in it before they would
cover me solo.

On 8/16/2020 3:53 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 10:55:16 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> john firth wrote on 8/16/2020 8:10 AM:
>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 2:19:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:35:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Szikora wrote on 8/15/2020 5:19 PM:
>>>>>> Well, it was a glider once the engine stopped.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope! It was still an airplane, even though it was gliding, just as motorgliders
>>>>> don't become airplanes when the engine is running; otherwise; you'd need a glider
>>>>> license AND an SEL license to fly it :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
>>>>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>>>> That's what the FAA say, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
>>>
>>> Transport Canada have a more sensible attitude.
>>> A motor is considered an alternative launch method.
>>> You need a GPL and endorsement from an instructor
>>> with SLS experience.
>>> JMF
>>>
>> It's the same in the US.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
>> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> In the US, a checkride is required in a 2-seat motorglider, even if the applicant has Glider and SEL ratings. That, in my opinion, makes no sense.

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Dan, 5J